{"id":3486,"date":"2024-12-12T11:37:18","date_gmt":"2024-12-12T11:37:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/?p=3486"},"modified":"2024-12-12T14:15:40","modified_gmt":"2024-12-12T14:15:40","slug":"hopefully-people-can-see-the-difference-between-what-we-are-being-accused-of-and-what-has-transpired-rebellion-unpluggeds-duncan-molloy-on-joyride-plagiarism-claims","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/2024\/12\/12\/hopefully-people-can-see-the-difference-between-what-we-are-being-accused-of-and-what-has-transpired-rebellion-unpluggeds-duncan-molloy-on-joyride-plagiarism-claims\/","title":{"rendered":"“Hopefully people can see the difference between what we are being accused of and what has transpired”: Rebellion Unplugged’s Duncan Molloy on Joyride plagiarism claims"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

A successful Kickstarter campaign and favourable reviews for post-apocalyptic car racing game Joyride: Survival of the Fastest<\/a> have been dampenened by claims of plagiarism from Powerboats<\/a> designer Corn\u00e9 van Moorsel, who is seeking royalties from publisher Rebellion Unplugged<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That situation has been complicated by the fact that Rebellion Unplugged head and Joyride co-designer Duncan Molloy approached van Moorsel in 2019 about reprinting Powerboats, before changing his mind several months after the pair met up at Spiel Essen that year.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

BoardGameWire has covered the situation in detail in this article<\/a> – but Molloy has also provided extensive answers to BoardGameWire explaining where he believes it is right to draw the line between a new design and development of an existing title, and details the ways he says Powerboats and Joyride differ in their mechanics.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

He also admits he worries the dispute will have a knock-on effect on how Joyride is viewed, and outlines his regrets about not acknowledging Joyride’s influences more clearly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

BoardGameWire: There’s clearly a difference of opinion here about whether Joyride is a new design, or something more akin to a development of Powerboats. You’ve mentioned your long experience developing and reprinting games at [former employer] Osprey Games<\/a> – how do you go about drawing a line between what’s development of an existing title, and what can be considered a new design?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Duncan Molloy: For me the line is drawn when work begins on a project. It\u2019s the difference between \u201chow do I help make the best version of this game\u201d and \u201chow do I make something new\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The role of a developer is probably most closely akin to an editor \u2013 it\u2019s about tweaking and polishing to make sure the final game is the best version of the designer\u2019s intent. In my personal experience with new editions of an existing title there are usually few rule changes, so mechanical development is often (though by no means always) relatively minor. Sometimes something will arise after the initial release that needs addressing, and sometimes the designer will have gone back to the original with changes they want to make. Most of the work involved in a new edition is in art direction and product design.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A new design is just that \u2013 a new design. Joyride is a new design. We sat down with a specific design intent (outlined in the BGG dev diary<\/a>) and worked over several years to create the game we wanted to see. It iterates on some established mechanisms in a unique way and adds entirely new mechanisms while doing so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You’ve mentioned you regret not communicating with van Moorsel that you wouldn’t be moving forward with licensing Powerboats. What do you say to the BoardGameGeek commenters pointing out that van Moorsel also deserves to be better credited for his design’s importance to Joyride?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I think that\u2019s fair. In my response to Corn\u00e9 on [November 27]<\/a> I drew a comparison between Clank or Legendary and Dominion, which I no longer think is a good analogue. I don\u2019t think anyone would argue that Clank and Dominion are the same game, but Dominion is well known as the game that effectively invented deckbuilding, and because of that Dominion\u2019s influence on Clank does not feel like something the designers of Clank are trying to hide.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Similarly, I don\u2019t think that anyone who has played both can reasonably argue that Joyride and Powerboats are the same game, but because Powerboats is less well known than Dominion its influence is less immediately obvious. That\u2019s reason enough to make it explicit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s part of the reason I\u2019ve openly acknowledged its influence, along with the influence of many other games, though I could have been more forceful about it. I\u2019d like to reiterate that influence now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Corn\u00e9 van Moorsel’s 2008 design Powerboats<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

A great many games have a system akin to \u201chigher gear means move more spaces\u201d, but I came across it first in Formula D<\/a>. Formula D also introduced (to my knowledge) the concept of damaging specific parts of your car if you\u2019re being too reckless. I loved that idea, and we implemented the same concept in a very different way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Powerboats lets you keep some dice and reroll others to have more control over your speed, which is very slick. I have vivid memories at a cousin\u2019s house as a kid of failing again and again to understand why the tutorial in Gran Turismo was showing a different optimal line to approach a corner depending on my car\u2019s speed. It took my young mind a long time to clock the idea of accelerating through the corner, rather than before or after it. Joyride takes inspiration from Powerboats\u2019 combining \u201croll to move\u201d with \u201cchoose what to reroll\u201d. Joyride uses a two-move system, consisting of one move that was limited by your previous turn (i.e. dice values that you choose to retain) and a separate move that was rolled on your current turn, which gave us a sense of momentum followed by acceleration or deceleration that we were very happy with. Being forced to choose some die values to keep on the approach to a corner, then being faced with the unpredictability of a roll as you start to round the corner, really captured that feeling my younger self had struggled with.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Powerboats uses dice with the values 1-2-3, which Joyride also uses. They work very well at limiting the possibility spread of an outcome, hitting a balance between predictability and randomness. Formula D\u2019s weighted dice achieve a similar effect with a very similar range of outcomes. In an early iteration of Joyride some cars used different combinations of dice (and in some cases differences within specific gears). Ultimately, we limited the asymmetry of the cars to the driver abilities, so that new players could concentrate on the main systems rather than having to hold all the different permutations in their head at once. We settled on 1-2-3 as our baseline as those values mapped well onto a six-sided die, a shape that felt good to roll and easy to place on a dashboard, and we knew from having played Powerboats that it gave a satisfying range of outcomes. Some of the feel of the variable dice still made it into the final game with the Off-Roader\u2019s Momentum ability and the Nitro item.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Any number of racing games use checkpoint-based courses, but Mario Kart Tour (the mobile game version, though some of its tracks have subsequently been added to Mario Kart 8) does some really interesting things with shifting checkpoint and obstacle placement across different laps, completely changing the approach to certain corners. I have also always held on to the joy of the same straight being used on the way to and from a checkpoint in the opening track of the videogame POD Gold, forcing the race leaders to contend with oncoming traffic if they were far enough ahead. Both of these were a big inspiration for having the checkpoints be omni-directional and for designing tracks with wildly different routes from one lap to the next.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gaslands<\/a>\u2019 open play area and collision system creates interesting decisions about positioning yourself relative to the other players. It also does a great job of making a game feel like playing with toys. More than anything else the drive to create Joyride was built around wanting the other players\u2019 position on the track to matter, and to centre that interaction to create tension, tactics and fun. Translating the feeling of customisability and player creativity that comes with wargames to a board game was a big part of that. Our final game is wildly different but the playful tone of Gaslands is to my mind one of Joyride\u2019s biggest influences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We also spent plenty of time on things we didn\u2019t see anywhere else \u2013 catch-up mechanics, directional-based collisions, a feeling of heft and physicality, the ability to reverse, an initiative system to reward opportunistic risk-taking. These are all unique to Joyride. As you can tell, I\u2019m incredibly proud of the game. My hope is that as more people play Joyride, they will see it for the original work it is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Are you concerned there might be hesitancy from other designers in pitching to Rebellion following this, and if not, why not?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I can\u2019t speak for anyone else. We haven\u2019t been accepting unsolicited pitches since early 2020 (with very few exceptions) but anyone working with us now or in the future can expect to be treated professionally and with respect for their authorship.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In 2019 I was the sole employee at Rebellion Unplugged, was trying to wear way too many hats, reached out to a lot of people, and, in this instance, did a poor job of following up. I would hope this incident alone would not sully designers\u2019 views of Rebellion Unplugged. We have grown since then to a team of 6 people who are passionately working on some great board games and RPGs. We are not infallible (I particularly am slower to reply to emails than I would like to admit) but we are professionals with a love and respect for this industry, its history, our peers and our audience.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hopefully people can see the difference between what we are being accused of and what has transpired.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you worry this situation might take some of the shine from Joyride as a design, following its recent plaudits from Shut Up and Sit Down<\/a>, and its rise to the top of the BGG hotness?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Of course. The game\u2019s rating on BGG immediately dropped from 8.3 to 7.7 and has fallen further since, though it is somewhat reassuring that we have had more positive ratings than negative in the past few days. Unfortunately, the conversation around the design is muddied by people\u2019s views of my poor communication.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I hope my responses to your questions here are taken at face value, and that the years of creative work that many different people have poured into Joyride does not become overshadowed by this situation. Corn\u00e9 did not design Joyride, and my enquiring about the rights to a similar game of his years earlier is not a reason to minimise the people who did. Joyride is very much its own game, and I remain very proud of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In hindsight, do you think you could and should have done anything differently through this process regarding Powerboats and van Moorsel, aside from confirming to him in 2019 that you wouldn’t be moving forward with licensing his game?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I do regret not giving Powerboats, and some of our other influences, an acknowledgement in the rulebook. I have openly acknowledged the many influences of Joyride, but doing so in the box itself inarguably carries more weight. We will be putting together an acknowledgements policy on all our games going forward, including any future reprints.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Molloy has provided extensive answers to BoardGameWire explaining where he believes it is right to draw the line between a new design and development of an existing title, and details the ways he says Powerboats and Joyride differ in their mechanics. He also admits he worries the dispute will have a knock-on effect on how Joyride is viewed, and outlines his regrets about not acknowledging Joyride’s influences more clearly.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":3482,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[6,135,1392,351,1389,1395,1390,1393,1394],"class_list":["post-3486","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-feature","tag-board-game","tag-board-games","tag-duncan-molloy","tag-interview","tag-joyride","tag-joyride-survival-of-the-fastest","tag-powerboats","tag-rebellion","tag-rebellion-unplugged"],"blocksy_meta":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3486","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3486"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3486\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3498,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3486\/revisions\/3498"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3482"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3486"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3486"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3486"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}