{"id":5391,"date":"2025-11-08T15:28:06","date_gmt":"2025-11-08T15:28:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/?p=5391"},"modified":"2025-11-12T14:57:49","modified_gmt":"2025-11-12T14:57:49","slug":"ravensburger-pushes-for-upper-deck-to-pay-3-8m-legal-fees-it-racked-up-defeating-groundless-but-unrelenting-disney-lorcana-lawsuit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/2025\/11\/08\/ravensburger-pushes-for-upper-deck-to-pay-3-8m-legal-fees-it-racked-up-defeating-groundless-but-unrelenting-disney-lorcana-lawsuit\/","title":{"rendered":"Ravensburger pushes for Upper Deck to pay $3.8m legal fees it racked up defeating &#8216;groundless but unrelenting&#8217; Disney Lorcana lawsuit"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Ravensburger is demanding Upper Deck pays the $3.8m in legal fees it ran up in its successful two-year legal battle against the latter&#8217;s claims it stole the design for its hugely successful Disney Lorcana TCG.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Upper Deck began its lawsuit against Ravensburger and Lorcana lead designer Ryan Miller\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/2023\/06\/07\/upper-deck-sues-ravensburger-claiming-they-stole-their-work-in-progress-game-to-repackage-as-lorcana\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">in the summer of 2023<\/a>, alleging the designer took his work on Upper Deck\u2019s previously unannounced game <a href=\"https:\/\/boardgamegeek.com\/boardgame\/440008\/rush-of-ikorr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"\">Rush of Ikorr<\/a> with him when he left the company in 2020 &#8211; and transported it to his new employer Ravensburger to create Lorcana.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/2024\/09\/26\/upper-deck-lawsuit-claiming-lorcanas-designer-stole-the-game-from-them-rumbles-on-in-courts\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Filings made by Upper Deck last September<\/a>&nbsp;said Lorcana had \u201cremarkable, uncanny similarities\u201d to Rush of Ikorr, and the company claimed Miller was \u201caided and encouraged\u201d by Ravensburger in stealing the designs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But last month <a href=\"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/2025\/10\/10\/upper-deck-brings-new-claim-against-ravensburger-in-disney-lorcana-lawsuit-after-losing-all-its-existing-claims-against-publisher-trial-of-designer-ryan-miller-to-start-next-month\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"\">a US federal judge ruled in favour of Ravensburger in all of Upper Deck\u2019s claims against it<\/a> \u2013 which included allegations of copyright infringement, fraudulent misrepresentation and concealment, and unfair competition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That was followed a month later by Upper Deck settling a separate breach of contract claim against Miller, with a court awarding a $39,000 settlement to Upper Deck to cover its court costs, expenses and legal fees.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ravensburger has now filed a claim for more than $3.8m it spent on legal fees defending the case &#8211; which included a total of over 5,000 hours put in by nine lawyers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The court filing said, &#8220;A complete defence verdict on an objectively meritless case warrants a full fee award. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;Upper Deck&#8217;s case was frivolous in conception, objectively unreasonable in prosecution and pursued in a manner that multiplied costs while consuming vast judicial resources.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The claim notes that Upper Deck&#8217;s legal expert Roberto Cavazos had calculated the case was worth $240m in copyright damages &#8211; a figure Ravensburger&#8217;s lawyers described as a &#8220;staggering sum&#8221; which it said &#8220;inexplicably&#8221; included profits from Ravensburger&#8217;s German parent company.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ravensburger&#8217;s claim describes Upper Deck&#8217;s litigation tactics as &#8220;extremely costly&#8221;, with the trading card company having alleged copyright infringement on 43 separate game elements which included mechanisms such as &#8220;taking alternating turns&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lawyers for Ravensburger said in the claim that despite the copyright case being &#8220;meritless from the start&#8221; &#8211; given previous legal rulings that game mechanics cannot be copyrighted &#8211; fighting the case had necessitated the exchange of about 7,000 documents, as well as the lengthy process of quizzing almost every witness on all 43 game mechanisms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It added that Upper Deck had made use of 12 attorney from five different law firms &#8211; eight of those partners &#8211; underscoring that the case was &#8220;hard fought&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>ICv2 <a href=\"https:\/\/icv2.com\/articles\/news\/view\/60907\/upper-deck-plans-continue-disney-lorcana-suit\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" title=\"\">reported at the end of October<\/a> that Upper Deck plans to continue its lawsuit against Ravensburger in Europe after the failure of the US litigation, having filed a suit in the Netherlands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It cited Upper Deck president Jason Masherah as saying, &#8220;We maintain confidence in the evidence including the recent judgment of liability for breach of contract, violating obligations with Upper Deck to protect the intellectual property related to Rush of Ikorr.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&#8220;We intend to use the judgment as part of our lawsuit against Ravensburger in Europe, where the law forbids profiting from another&#8217;s breach of contract.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Upper Deck filed its initial lawsuit in June 2023, two months before the high-profile release of Lorcana at Gen Con \u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.polygon.com\/23822939\/disney-lorcana-gen-con-launch-lines\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">which saw huge queues to pick up copies of the game<\/a>, with&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dicebreaker.com\/games\/disney-lorcana\/news\/disney-lorcana-fans-queue-at-gen-con-2023\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">some fans waiting in line overnight<\/a>&nbsp;in order to pick up the game\u2019s first releases.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The game\u2019s ninth expansion, Whispers in the Well, has just been released to local games stores, with expansion ten, Winterspell, slated for a Q1 2026 release.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Upper Deck released Rush of Ikorr in June of this year.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link has-black-color has-text-color has-background wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/buttondown.com\/boardgamewire\" style=\"background-color:#f6bf00\">For more stories like this direct to your email inbox, click here to sign up for BoardGameWire&#8217;s free email newsletter. \n\nAnd if you&#8217;ve found our reporting interesting or useful, please consider a paid subscription to help support our journalism!<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ravensburger&#8217;s court filing said, &#8220;Upper Deck&#8217;s case was frivolous in conception, objectively unreasonable in prosecution and pursued in a manner that multiplied costs while consuming vast judicial resources.&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5393,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[6,135,570,1995,1938,333,338,187,189,194,193,30,1977,190,1997],"class_list":["post-5391","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-news","tag-board-game","tag-board-games","tag-disney-lorcana","tag-fee","tag-judge","tag-lawsuit","tag-legal","tag-lorcana","tag-ravensburger","tag-rush-of-ikorr","tag-ryan-miller","tag-tcg","tag-trading-card-game","tag-upper-deck","tag-whispers-in-the-well"],"blocksy_meta":[],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5391","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5391"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5391\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5422,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5391\/revisions\/5422"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5393"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5391"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5391"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/boardgamewire.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5391"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}